Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum. This is a correct factory Skeet grade 28 gauge with solid rib on the 26 skeet choked barrel. I was at a local gunshop this morning and was looking at a model 12 2-3/4" that had a Simmons rib. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. seller description. the shot gun is in very good condition , with a 28 in ventilated rib barrel with full choke. To elaborate on lowgun's response, the "round post" rib was made by Simmons, not Winchester. Harold Williamson, in his book Winchester, The Gun That Won the West, relates that the new management of Winchester embarked on a program that involved an extraordinary departure from the companys previous operations and the investment of borrowed capital in large amounts. Winchester struggled through a decade of inept product diversification that was terminated by the Great Depression. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. Important to note that this gun was made in 1956, the first year for the round post factory installed Special Ve, FOR YOUR VIEWING IS A VERY NICE WINCHESTER MODEL 12 in 20 GA. WITH A VENT RIBBED 26" BARREL AND IC CHOKED. This likely was the last mention of solid ribs in Winchester literature. The duck gun was discontinued in 1963. Gun Digest editors know guns so you know guns. I would think if you did shoot you proble flinch like heck becouse ther must be a lot of jerk in you. If you pull the trigger and the shell does not fire you must push the slide handle forward to unlock the action. Sold them when we down sized to a smaller house that did not have a custom built safe room in it like the old house. Westerns innovation was progressive-burning powder that deformed fewer shot during acceleration. Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. As good as the Brownings are, Ill just keep my Model 12s from New Haven. I would think if you did shoot you proble flinch like heck becouse ther must be a lot of jerk in you. The era of the double gun was ending as World War II approached. I sold 41 model 12's and 21's at a gun auction in Wichita Kansas to accommodate the move. Look for an offset proof mark on the barrel to indicate whether the rib came on the gun or was fitted aftermarket. The new 1935-style buttstock featured a closer and fuller pistol grip. President Roosevelt signed the law limiting magazine repeaters to three shells for migratory game bird hunting in 1935. to be finishedat least thats what Stadt says in his book"Winchester, Shotguns and Shotshells"very interesting book.a little different look at M-12 than Madis and Riffle.WC. winchester model 12 description: for sale is a very nice vintage winchester model 12, 12ga ga shotgun. In an ad in the October 1952 American Rifleman, Winchester proclaimed. Buckingham recorded his adventures in some of the best hunting stories ever written. This is not John Waynes revolver it is a modern work of art! If not it has been shot very little and stored under the right conditions. I have owned a Pigeon grade model 12 trap Dounut vent rib, built late 1955, now that's an oddity, who would order a Pigeon Trap with a Dounut Rib (?) *** RARE *** Winchester Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN limited production run that combines the pre-64 Model 12 with a 12 ga. Magnum 30" barrel, factory production 3" Magnum, with a factory Simmons Vent Rib on an upgraded wood stock! THE VENTILATED RIB IS BY SIMMONS GIN, 16ga, Full Choke, 26" barrel with a bright and shiny bore. Eight major concealed carry insurance programs are now available to the millions of Americans who carry concealed. It is, somehow, not easy to avoid shoving shells wrong end first into ones gun. It's what was refered to as a "Olympic Rib". Helping out a person with 3378 posts who if they spent 5min. There is some difference in what they say but are good reference. No Reserve . 28" vent rib, full choke barrel with front bead sight. Here's what it's like to shoot this classic scattergun. part of our network, we sell THEIR guns first whenever possible. only one I have ever seen unless TS member owns one? We need to talk model 12's sometime. No Reserve. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. From its debut until the end of the 1950's, the Winchester Model 1912 was the pump shotgun, long known as "the perfect repeater." When I dress Western, nothing beats the classic good looks of my Smith & Wesson (S&W) 586 .357 revolver. Patterns were fired from a benchrest, using American Target Company B21 silhouette targets measuring 35 by 45 inches. Must be shipped to an FFL, New price, Listed is a like new Winchester DU, Model-12, 12 Ga Pump Shotgun. Bore and action are excellent. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 14" LOP. The number of pellet holes was divided by the average number of pellets in the load to produce the pattern percentage. Sto, Used Winchester 12 20 Gauge, Pump-Action Shotgun, 25" Barrel Wood Stock, No Box. , Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. The Olins soon added to the attractiveness of the Model 12 duck gun by bringing out a new 1 5/8-ounce load for the 3-inch shell. $899.97. Options for the Model 12 duck gun were reduced over the years, particularly following World War II. WARNING! Teal, mallard, widgeon and sprig [pintail] hover singly and in bunches overhead. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. My second blast bites off a dismayed climber. This shotg, FOR SALE IS A VERY NICE VINTAGE WINCHESTER MODEL 12, 12GA GA SHOTGUN. Sales of 100,000 were recorded in the first two years of production. Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. Most books say they did not. Winchester suggests their 3-inch 12-gauge shotshells with 1 3/8-ounces or 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot for wildfowl hunting in their 1951 Ammunition Handbook: These shells were developed especially for extremes in long range shooting with 12-gauge Winchester Model 12 and Model 21 Heavy Duck Guns.. No Reserve. However, the Model 12 duck gun should still be an excellent long-range waterfowl shotgun with the right ammunition. Most annoying was the failure of the action-slide lock to function properly. Both shotguns shot to point of aim and all patterns were contained on the target paper due to precise aiming, facilitated by placing a 25-pound sack of lead shot between me and the gun butt. This Model 12 has Serial Number 1391884 was produced in 1953. Remington re-tooled from the M31 to the stamp, push and press 870 which sold for less than the M12. In duck shooting the proportion of magazine guns in use is much higher, probably four men in five using the repeater. Askins added, Fact is, personally, I have always thought that I was surer on the second bird with a repeater than I was with a double gun. On gauges for duck hunting: No fault is to be found with the twelve [gauge] as a duck gun, whether in double barrel with 3 inch cases or in repeaters with 2 3/4 inch. Wood is in very good condition showing very little handling or wear marks. Manufactured in 1959. This percentage was disappointing compared to the 80% or better patterns obtained with other duck guns tested by the staff. Then people would choose a grade of model 12 and add or change things to ther hunting or shooting style. Small depression in the magazine tube, as shown in pictures. Gun #: 978404477 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $25,000.00 your community AND if they have it in stock, you can pick your gun up Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. Smith Double Barrel Shotgun $250 Mar 24, 2023 Browning "Twenty" Semi Automatic Shotgun $200 Mar 24, 2023 Browning "Light Twelve" Semi Automatic Shotgun $200 Mar 24, 2023 Browning Pump Action Shotgun $150 ONLY ONE EVER PRODUCED BY WINCHESTER, ULIMATE RARITY. In their view, the Model 12 pump with 3-inch chamber was likely to sell better than a similarly chambered Model 21 double. is 14" with pad. The rib wasn't offered until 1954 according to the Dave Riffle Model 12 book so it wasn't originally produced at the Winchester Factory. Winchester ~ Model 12 Trap ~ Pump Action Shotgun ~ 12 Gauge. Made in 1928, 12 Gauge, 28"" barrel. And our Refresh your browser window to try again. 3-inch Super Twelve Shotshell My copy of Winchesters Catalog No. during that time I handled many M-12's of varying configurations. The near nine-pound Model 12 duck gun is an anachronism among todays waterfowl hunting shotguns. Saint Charles, Missouri. I rebuilt all of the trigger assemble with all new parts just reusing the guard. The Simmons rib is done at Winchesters direction as it has the WP proof offset from the rib. Buy 1955 Winchester Model 12 20 GA Simmons Rib AA+ Wood: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pump Action Shotguns Shotguns Guns & Firearms All: 974012213. Item. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 5d 7h 6m 17240921. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 1d 15h 33m 17222600. Such were the men of the long-range duck-hunting cult. You are also correct that the different rib styles used on Model 12's can get confusing..EG. MAKE OFFER. The 3-inch shell was chambered originally in the famous Super Fox long-range double. Cred, Ser no 510553, Mfg 1928 , Numbers Match, 30" Donut Post Vent Rib that is stamped Imp Cyl but has been relined and is Mod, 2nd barrel is 30" Donut Post Vent Rib stamped full but is Mod, Stamp, This Winchester Model 12 was manufactured in 1955 and is in good condition for its age. These were turned out by the Hunter Arms Company of Fulton, N.Y. in L.C. Recent 3 1/2-inch 12-gauge shells will create dangerous pressure in the 3-inch duck gun chamber. Two birds tumble all awry from among the leaders. The vent rib is stamped "SIMMONS GUN SPECIALTIES INC. KANSAS CITY, MO.". Featherweight: same as above; lightweight alloy trigger guard. Winchester sent some M-12s to Simmons to have ribs installed, Simmons returned them to Win. The Model 12, already 23 years old, was one of many successful designs by Thomas C. Johnson. Mechanically excellent. By 1955, the options were matted rib, ventilated rib, straight or pistol grip stock and buttstock and extension slide handle checkered. Charles Askins was the leading expert on shotguns in the first half of the last century. Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. Number 8 and 2 shot provided wider and more even patterns with no center thickening. This fine shotgun comes from the factory with a Cutts choke system, Metal surfaces rate near excellent, handling marks to wood. Winchester proof steel is chrome-molybdenum steel. In reading Stadt's statements on page 109 of the latest version of this book, I don't see where he is too sure of his statements. A great looking gun, in excellent condition. Ernie Simmons of Olathe, Kansas, a gunsmithing "whiz-kid" and a fairly good skeet shooter to boot-they were involved in the later cost-saving Winchester ventilated ribs for various Winchester shotguns- Model 12's, Model 50's, possibly Model 21's-. In the 1950's Winchester's costs were losing pace with what they were ablle to sell their products for. The solid rib gun shows carrying wear while the ventilated rib gun was refinished when the rib was installed. The duck gun version of the Model 12, introduced in 1935, was a natural consequence of duck hunters in charge of Winchester. The takedown joints are tight (See the instructions in Madis book if your Model 12 has a loose take-down joint). Shopping at Guns.com gives you the backing DAC 1 1/2"&n, FRO YOUR VIEWING IS A EXCEPTIONALY NICE MODEL 12 IN 3' HEAVY DUCK. ORIGINAL BOX INCLUDED. The price $379 does not seem out of line for model 12's in this area; however, my question is does the Simmons rib add or detract from the value of the gun? 30 Barrel. customers to the absolute best of our abilities. Enthusiastic hunters bought the new repeater. The 30" vent rib barrel is very good with a bright shiny bo, This Winchester Model 12 in 12 Gauge is in good condition with moderate wear to the wood surfaces and light thinning of the bluing on the barrel. Western brought out their Super-X 2-3/4 and 3-inch shotshells in 1921. Jack OConnor was there and sets the scene nicely in the Complete Book of Shooting. That way, were helping small businesses in , Excellent Winchester Model 12 12 gauge Deluxe Skeet gun with factory issued Cutts Compensator. I believe that Stadt's book is one of the few that actually states that Winchester did produce M42s with Winchester vent ribs. There are currently no customer product questions on this lot. Shooting the Model 12 Duck Gun I own two Model 12 duck guns. These were called long-range waterfowl guns.. Did they actually produce any in 1919 or did it take some time to get them out to the public after patent was approved? Fanciers of long-range shotguns now had a 12-gauge repeater shooting a 10-gauge shot load. This is why they were rust blued instead of hot blued. The load averaged 67.5% (range 62-72.5%), in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards. Remington's Nylon 66 semi-automatic .22 LR rifles have grown from 1950s bargain buys to 21st century collectors darlings. A milled rib Model 12 is a milled rib Model 12, but the terminology is used a bit loosely. 2023 Rock Island Auction Company. I don't believe it has been fired. Now I have never been wrong about anything in my lifeLOLjust kidding, but the way I read it on the top of page 109JMHOThanks, WC. A Simmons Rib has been added to the barrel and the metal was refinished. Buttstocks of duck guns had lead slugs inserted into the wood beneath the recoil pad. You have entered an incorrect email address! w/ 22" barrel in original box w/ paperwork 1 of 1,000 #UG5 2 Paul Jaeger Jenkintown, PA. 30-06 cal. Severe drought conditions gripped the United States and Canada during the 1930s. Must ship to an FFL. Bluing is in overall very good condition. When I went to the university in a different town I worked for another gun shop that was an authorized Winchester Repair Center. Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. I know of a gun shop in Idaho that can take about any model 42 and put on round post ribs or solid ribs that are just like factory original with the proof marks. Market hunting was legislated out of existence in the late teens. JavaScript is disabled. service to the online gun buying experience that is unheard of. The price in 1963 was $122 compared to $109.50 for the standard Model 12. Riffle's excellent reference book on the Model 12 notes the 1919 patent date for the two-pin rib, but suggests that the rib was not on the market until 1920. I believe the solid ribs were soft (lead) soldered like the model 21's. Smith & Wesson Model 586: Reviewing A .357 Revolver With Class. and/or Simmons, left in the "white", and sent to the other. The pidgeon-grade duck gun was discontinued in 1961. 30" Vent Rib Excellent White Front . Winchester was bankrupt and went into receivership in January 1931. Thought behind it was that a taller rib on the bbl and a higher comb on the stock would help prevent "head lifting". Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. M, ventilated rib, mid 1950's manufacture, completely original, only one ever produced by Winchester, ultimate rarity for the Model 12 co, 12ga, #1737096, standard gun that has been restocked and has a Simmons ventilated rib added, 12ga, 30 inch barrel, full choke, 2 3/4 inch chamber, 14 3/4 inch LOP with "Decelerator" pad, blu, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood, Winchester Model 12 28 gauge Skeet solid rib. Interchangeable barrels (forend assembly) for 2 3/4-inch shells and choke of choice were special order. The Gun and the Times The Model 12 duck gun examined by the staff of the American Rifleman in 1936 was the earliest version. I have the wood all refinished. The new Model 12 duck gun was introduced to long-range waterfowl hunters habituated to heavy double shotguns chambered for 3-inch shells. Charles Askins is the father of the late Colonel Charles Askins, Jr., of course. Every cowboy needs a revolver. Consider the possibility of a hang-fire, an occasional event in 1912, in a gun without the slide lock feature. The survival of both Western and Winchester now depended on Olin management. The first thing you notice when you pick up a duck gun is its weight and solid feel. Notes - Delivery *Estimated delivery dates include seller's handling time, origin ZIP Code, destination ZIP Code and time of acceptance and will depend on shipping service selected and receipt of cleared payment. That is why I have never used one of my duck guns for duck hunting. I included #2 shot because this size shot has always been my goose and turkey load in 3-inch shells. And unlike our competitors, it extends beyond the buying process. The late style stock featured a flared pistol grip moved back a bit from the trigger. The earliest Simmons catalog I ever found was 1949 when Ernie began advertising his "Special vent rib" which was the "Dounut Post". Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 14" LOP. (no choke stamp on barrel). Produced in 1961. 14" LOP OVER THE ORIGINAL W, Up for sale I have a 100% NIB Winchester model 12 chambered in 16ga. RIAC believes that this website is accessible to the widest possible audience pursuant to the guidelines of the Americans with Disability Act. Winchester Model 12 12 GA For Sale Winchester 12 GA Model 12. The point is the model 12 evolved. Askins rule of thumb of 70 years ago still pertains with modern lead-shot ammunition. Skeet gun marked "2 7/8" chamber skeet 28 gauge. Westerns 3-inch 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot was introduced the same year. I know of a gun shop in Idaho that can take about any model 42 and put on round post ribs or solid ribs that are just like factory original with the proof marks. Some patterns of #4 shot might let a duck escape if it were caught just inside the margin of the 30-inch circle. The steel has a nice patina and the stock has most of the lacquer worn off. The Pitt-man-Robertson Act of 1937 began an 11 percent excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition. Very fine as professionally custom finished, showing 95% of the refurbished blue, with scattered rust spotting and handling marks. The balance point is the takedown joint. But I manage to concentrate, find the combination, and center a pair of easy sprigs. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked modified, and 14" LOP. However, the gun for which Johnson is best remembered is his Model 12 pump-action shotgun, The Perfect Repeater.. Range was 40 yards from gun muzzle to target frame. Curious, I fired five additional patterns at 60 yards with Model 12 number 1418XXX and the Winchester load of 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot. It was John Olin who inspired Westerns revolutionary Super-Xshotshell in 1921. Something went wrong. - Top Rated Plus - opens in a new window or tab, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new window or tab. He worked with another Winchester researcher. The ducks shot by me in the accompanying photograph were taken with Skeet boring and trap loads of #7 1/2-shot. However, killing ducks at long range remained the objective of many duck hunters. Mfg 1917, 25" Barrel, Mod, Correct Forend and Buttstock, Small chip out of toe of butt plate, Wood is not damaged, Good Bore, Pictures show condition, Buyer pays 50.00 shipping Pa residents add 6, This Winchester Model 12 is a post 1972 gun with a "Y' prefix serial number. So here is a history lesson on the skeet grade. Most everything can be easily bought online these days. Franklin W. Olin founded Western Cartridge Company in 1898. An incredible collector grade limited production 1953 Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN SIMMONS VENT RIB that is offered below Blue Book value. The Model 12 2 pin rib has always been "KING" but don't turn you nose up @ a Dounut Post model 12 as production in Trap & Skeet model only lasted from late 1955 to 1956 then round post was alternate rib to the 2 pin. Many online gun sales actually take away from your local You are correct. According to the Serial# 1439865, and Winchester manufacturing records, this gun w. 12ga, #366988, 30 inch barrel, 2 1/2 inch chamber, full choke, solid rib, blue finish, straight grip checkered walnut stock, checkered walnut forearm, 13 3/4 LOP with "newer" Winchester pad, 12ga, #1417110, 30 inch barrel, 3 inch chamber, full choke, blue finish, walnut stock and forearm, solid rib, original red rubber pad, 1954. The finishes and rib are 100% Winchester and in great condi, Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1choked skeet Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition Buyer pays shipping Millers Gun Center Located in New, Winchester Model 12 pump action 12ga shotgun. And, as WRACO states, Simmons installed Model 12 ribbed guns were sold by Simmons, not Winchester. Guns.com pledges to make gun buying easy, to support local gun stores, and to serve our Full choke was the only standard boring available. Here-tofore, you could only shoot this weight of shot in a 10-gauge double gun with 2 7/8-inch chambers, or the new Ithaca Magnum 10. 12 Gauge, This is a very nice Winchester Model 12 Trap pump action shotgun in 12 gauge. There is a moderate mark as shown in the photograph. Action works perfectly. 1 9-16" DAC, 1 9-16" DAH, 14 1/2, Very good plus overall condition. Free shipping for many products! The $48 price tag was right. And make the 42 any grade you want and a self described winchester know it all couldn't tell the differance and may have bought one. George Watrous, a longtime Winchester employee with many talents, was commissioned to investigate the good and bad points of Winchesters pre-war line and make suggestions for postwar improvement. It is the skeet style of stock with a comb drop of 1 1/2 2 1/2 inches, and a 14-inch length, butt to trigger. Advanced . Model 12 duck guns are highly specialized tools for a very limited number of duck hunters who can regularly center a duck at 40-60 yards, and need to. That luck ran out following World War I when the arms industry declined and the management of Winchester was relinquished to outsiders. Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without It also got a new action slide. I read your posts; you do love the Model 12, been there done that. The Model 12 was the first magazine repeater chambered for 3-inch magnum shells. I used to club trap targets with it. , The Winchester Model 12 Y series was introduced in 1972 and made until about 1984. Instead of buying a gun thats He did note, however, that the rib first appeared at about serial number 240,000. My 1953 duck gun has the factory solid rib. When winchester changed the chamber to 3" did they mark the barrels or reproof? I am tempted to stop off awhile and call. Chamber marked 3", choke marked full, and 14 1/2" LOP. The Olins bought Winchester for $8.1 million through a combination of $3.3 million cash and the balance in an issue of preferred stock. For more information: www.p65warnings.ca.gov. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. Model 12 Skeet Pump Shotgun. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. The slide handle was given a larger diameter, flat bottom and 14 grooves on each side of the handle about 1947. This gun is in excellent condition and has very desireable solid rib barrel with full choke. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 5d 15h 14m Lay-a-way available for t, Excellent overall condition sporting original finishes. I have several 2-pin guns. A smothered roar from around the corner! You jack the shell out and it goes off under your nose. Model 42s with later ribs than the donut post, with no Simmons markings or with Simmons markings, and with proof marks in the proper places are thought to have had their ribs installed at Simmons and sent back to Winchester for marketing or marketed at Simmons. The Olins were businessmen first and duck hunters second. Blue is good showing wear on high spots. The duck gun made in 1952 has a Simmons ventilated rib. The Model 12 was about 40 percent more expensive than the '97, yet it consistently outsold its older brother during the 45-year-span they shared in the Winchester catalog. Both guns were disassembled, cleaned and lightly oiled before testing. It is possible for the slide lock to fail to unlock the action during recoil. Ronald Stadt states in Winchester Shotguns and Shot-shells: All Winchester special ventilated rib magnum guns examined have sand-blasted receiver tops. Solid ribs were offered until the mid-1950s, except as noted by Stadt: The 1960 wholesale-retail catalog listed 30-inch solid rib pidgeon magnums. Probably a lot farther than we can hit em. It looks like it is in very good shape. the ventilated rib is by simmons gin works. Standard Grade: 12-, 16-, 20- and 28-gauge; plain, solid or ventilated rib round barrels; standard lengths 26", 28", 30", 32"; plain walnut pistol-grip stock; grooved slide handle. Askins and Buckingham would sure be surprised at how far the 12 magnum has come. At a reasenable Price, you can have that gun you allways wanted without all this drama. A Cold War era classic with smooth lines, a legendary back story, and an exotic-sounding name, Beretta's Model 71 was definitely a mouse that roared.
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