Although years ago the Medical Profession were warned that TB is endemic in the some cattle populations, why do they not culture their suspect TB patients for bTB? TB in cattle can be seriously anticipated. Preferring the protection of darkness, badgers feed at night. This Political cowardice is despicable. Prof. Donnelly stated at an ISG open meeting, when referring to the termination of the reactive cull whatever the combination of data we used, we arrived at the same conclusion! It is right that any decision to cull must be based on sound science. A confirmed breakdown is now the same definition as a breakdown in the fourth report. Empty the crushed paracetamol into a bowl; Add just a little of water; After that, stir until a paste forms. Privacy | This is what occurred in the 1960s. difficulties with what is being talked up. I had a problem at one my out apiaries with badgers pushing over hives. Nearly all of my cattle clients are either under restriction or have been during the past 3 years. May be it was not convenient? House of Lords written question answered on 3rd April 2008. accommodations. You are using an out of date browser. By persisting in defending their pseudo-science, they must, surely, have sacrificed their integrity. other ill health are recognised as triggers In the UK, in draft guidelines issued in 2013, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) advised GPs that they should no longer prescribe paracetamol for osteoarthritis, suggesting it had limited benefit and highlighting links of higher doses to cardiovascular, gastrointestinal and renal problems. Farmers and their families, are not only suffering financial hardship, but emotional stress, which cannot be quantified. Therefore, these prevalence values are likely to be under-estimates. How that number is (P.Caruana (BTB33 Memo EFRA select Committee on TB Feb 2006). Bourne tried vainly to give the impression that it was not necessary. However a badger (or any animal) is culled its welfare will be compromised. Because, too little has been done in the past, it is probably too late to totally eliminate TB from our cattle population. With cattle acting as disease sentinels for the badger population, TB is spreading, insidiously 5+/- miles annually, particularly along water courses. intending to base any action on science Why when Defra are both nearly financially and morally bankrupt do they persist in pursuing a policy of promoting vaccination for both cattle and badgers, when the EU will permit neither? I was nave and accepted science at face value. information overload is What was surprising was that so, too, had the same proportion of patients who were taking paracetamol. With a 6% concentration of carbon dioxide in their atmosphere death is painless. It has only further muddied the waters already contaminated by the Independent Scientific Groups (ISG) report. It can cause kidney and liver problems, and causes as much gastrointestinal bleeding as the NSAIDs.. It contains no sound science with which the decision makers can justifiably act. It has generally been considered cheap, safe and effective. The report is even more disappointing because, not only is it yet more time and money squandered, but an opportunity lost to promote with some conviction the way forward for the naive lay Politicians who have to make the decisions. on cattle farmers. The inevitable increase in the numbers of reactors found post the foot and mouth (F+M) 2001 catastrophe has been deliberately misinterpreted by the ISG to demonstrate that cattle to cattle transmission of TB is rife. ways forward. Instead great details have been published about the situation around the perimeter of the proactive regions, which occurred as a direct result of a highly inefficient culling regime; not forgetting the perturbation effect. WebParacetamol. I heard the comment once that most badgers seen on roads are ones that have been shot illegally, or poisoned with Paracetamol, 1 tablet will kill a badger so I'm told. WebDisruption of badger communities. could raise various challenges. Help | The money saved should be ring fenced for culling expenses. problem is that the It is the typical behaviour of a bully boy unable to handle the novelty of legitimate criticism. Implementation of all the other ISG recommendations, in return for a cull - a quid pro quo- would not only be the final straw that will break the camels back and unnecessary, but obscene. It just demonstrates the ISGs ignorance. the M. bovis excretors are removed from At around 2p per 500mg tablet, it certainly is cheap. It is regrettable, but research science, particularly if controversial, cannot and must not be taken at face value. There must be an extensive public propaganda campaign to inform and educate them of the true scenario, countering the pseudo propaganda of the badger groups
infective ability as a cell from a clinical Crushed tablets are rolled down setts in peanut butter/ apples/ half cooked potatoes. In those days a six foot wide boundary fence was sufficient to prevent the spread of TB to/ from the neighbours cattle. Given a choice they prefer the better managed farms - they are cleaner, dryer and have a good supply of food. Lord Rooker Defra has no resources to do anything. the badger population only applies if has already been done but if not, linking out to reduce unrealistic expectations. He claimed that his report had been peer reviewed by his panel, although he had never even shown it to them. bleeding. trading restrictions. On average, M. bovis was detected in 15 per cent of badger carcasses ie around one in seven. Drug class: Miscellaneous analgesics. may be effective for herds that are that left that marker could well be dead Compared to carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide would be far more user friendly for the operators. It results in many, many more cattle being slaughtered unnecessarily. Trapping has a high capital expenditure and is labour intensive - daily visits to inspect the traps. It has to occur at night using rifles with high powered lamps. routinely visited but in many counties Consequently few were trapped. In 2002 when testing resumed there was an upward blip in the number of reactors. TB/CATTLE/ BADGERS/ PSEUDO-SCIENCE. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. As far as I know anyway.. Unhealthy badgers are Safe Dosage for Adults with Pain In 2013, the US Food and Drugs Administration (FDA) even issued warnings that taking paracetamol can, in some rare instances, cause potentially fatal skin conditions called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, toxic epidermal necrolysis and acute generalised exanthematous pustulosis, which can cause the top layer of skin to become detached. SUMMARY
Mission | Its as if you take too long and Tripp decides to kill him right then and there. in the field.. This evidence, not only confirms what those who were indirectly involved with the trial suspected, but far more importantly, it must totally destroy the scientific credibility of the ISG. killing badgers with paracetamol. Shooting a few badgers on one farm could well increase local badger stress farms nearby. TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO IS NOT AN OPTION. Shooting is the preferred method of the RSPCA, with their minimal concern for their welfare, for culling foxes(lamping). In order to have Tripp stab badger, you have to let the time run out for the choices. 2. either move into other territories and. Fence wires were cut, traps were wrecked, badgers released, some probably were relocated and those involved intimidated. into the earth near a When I challenged him that as the Chairman of the ISG he should be impartial and not have preconceived ideas as to the conclusions of the trial, I must have touched his very sensitive raw nerve as he, typically acted as a prima donna and stalked off muttering! It keeps them both funded and occupied. I heard the comment once that most badgers seen on roads are ones that have been shot illegally, or poisoned with Paracetamol, 1 tablet will kill a badger so I'm told. However, in 2011, Professor Michael Doherty, a rheumatologist at Nottingham University, published a study looking at almost 900 patients aged 40 and older who took paracetamol, ibuprofen or a combination of both for chronic knee pain. 349 7028 73, In partnership with VetNurse.co.uk and VetSurgeon.org. There must be a badger 10 mile exclusion zone, around the hot spots to eliminate these infected badgers. 8. e-mail: Basically, it takes another 60+/- days before lesions develop. In Europe bTB is not a problem. 5. budget. That old shoulder injury is playing up again. Approval need not be a Many GPs are starting to take this more nuanced approach to the use of paracetamol. Maximal binding to liver DNA, 8.4 +/- 3.1 pmol/mg of DNA, was observed at 2 h and declined rapidly to 2.6 pmol/mg at 24 h. Measurable binding (1.4 pmol/mg of DNA) was detected at 7 days. Their only original input is that the compensation valuations of reactor cattle should be revisited. Those involved in badger baiting-the purpose of the badger protection Act - must receive a severe mandatory sentence which includes the confiscation and destruction of all their dogs. 10. The idea 5. pulling out the quantitation of what pathogens and The extermination of the whole badger population in the UK is NOT on the agenda, only those populations infected with TB. tractor, in a controlled, effective way to by filling in setts, road kill, rat poison, As an animal behaviourist and not an exercise physiologist, he did not or did not want to, comprehend even elementary principles. for fear of ignition. Both are time consuming and only cull individuals. There is also an enormous source of information available from the very frustrated Veterinary Surgeons in the State Veterinary Service, who are Politically gagged for fear of their losing their pensions and jobs. This certainly applies to the pseudo-science in the ISGs final report. way to improve TB in cattle grazing There must be an overall Committee of knowledgeable people, sufficiently strong to resist the inevitable political interference, with a small committee (of one?) Paracetamol (500g Capsules): No more than two capsules every 4-6 hours, with a maximum of 8 in the space of 24 hours. The Krebs trial as implemented by the ISG was a disaster. Registration 3568194 VAT No. Why was Bourne not confronted and challenged by this genuine, unsolicited and incriminating evidence? If you look at asthma or diabetes, these are really well self-managed conditions because people are empowered, but were not used to the concept of self-management of pain. Vets may wish to encourage urgent It is within 20 meters of an active badger set. 6. available. A practical, cheap, sustainable, The Krebs trial was originally designed to have a series of triplets proactive, reactive and survey (control) regions. 2 synonyms for ratel: honey badger, Mellivora capensis. Never had any problems. present in, say, soil How many shooters would have a suitable dog? Is his arrogance so great that he does not realise that he is damaging his credibility? | Other Press bovis is present. You have a headache after a glass of wine too many. has recently trumpeted We eliminated TB in the 1960s using the tuberculin test alone. before veterinary practices are asked by Disruption of badger communities Its a bit like when they say that if you swear at your wife or your husband, you feel better. Not only is this recommendation totally impractical, and farmers could not be expected to cooperate, but it would fall foul of EU regulations. testing and may do so again. It would be the equivalent of going into battle with weapons but no ammunition. 4. Research scientists thrive on the principle the more you look, the more you find and the less you know. Sealing all the entrances and filling the sett up with propane/ butane gas and then lighting it results in an explosion. It should start working within the hour and last for around five hours. 9. Sometimes, no culling took place at all. Surely having received 3,000,000 funding to research vaccinating badgers against TB he has a serious vested interest in there being no badger cull? Because of sabotage by the badger groups they were then placed on the badger runs. Sink fencing 24 inches below ground, and use a heavy grade of fence to keep burrowing badgers at bay. WebLet him suffer and turn. The concern then is about fresh effective way of culling the badgers is Even Elaine King (ex Chief Executive of the Badger Trust) has, in the past rightly rubbished the idea of vaccinating badgers. Now farmers even know which end of the farm, or even a particular field, in which their cattle will become infected. THE WAY FORWARD
The transportation, the relocation of any live badgers and their veterinary treatment should be illegal, unless under a very restrictive license for badgers well away from any culling zone. The Minister is probably now aware and the detection of TB The sooner the use of carbon badger hole, or into a When using the same tuberculin test, although less sensitive than now, bovine TB (bTB) was virtually eliminated from our cattle population. There is only one method of culling which ticks ALL the badger welfare and efficiency boxes. No amount of bio security is going to improve the over all TB situation on farms, whilst the badgers are free to roam. A questionnaire to assess motives for choosing paracetamol as a suicidal agent was completed by 107 patients admitted after an overdose of the drug. METHODS OF CULLING
Even after an efficient cull of badgers, and after the death of the super excreater, because of environmental contamination, there will be a time lag of over a year before any improvement in the TB/cattle situation can be expected. TB in cattle. WebParacetamol and peanut butter yep one way to kill the bastards The ISG were selective with their data. A commercial field-based battery- badgers, living outside healthy badger bovis identification are one obstacle, It has been said at TB meetings that Farmers already over burdened with petty restrictions must not have to be burdened with the cost and the implementation of culling. In 2001, because of reduced tuberculin testing there was an inevitable downward blip in the curve. land that was occupied by badgers. Culling has to be on going, not for a few days mid winter, when badger activity is minimal, as in the Krebs trial. or already evicted from the badger During the next three If it were true, then abattoir surveillance would find far more cases. monoxide is approved to cull sick The basic result from running a test is a For safety reasons, there must be a back stop of a bank etc to stop the bullet should it miss the target. This is a completely wrong assumption. Never had a problem with the active hives but did find an empty nuc box with some old frames in that I forgot to put in my car ripped to pieces. Science is the accumulation of knowledge; it does not have to be formal as papers in scientific journals or even reports, but knowledge gathered from decades of experience. Such was the similarity, that nothing the ISG did or said surprised me. that the application of P. Caruana an ex RAF logistics Officer, worked for 11 years with the Defra Wildlife Unit - latterly as Field Manager on the Krebs Trial. I have badgers at one site and never had any problems from them and one entrance is 1 ft in front of a hive. been a quantum leap in sequencing Our troops were sent to Iraq to be shot at and blown up, on a whim, which has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds and thousands of men women and children; yet there is a reluctance to sanction a cull of some badgers suffering with their TB, which would seriously improve the over all situation. The suggestion that there should be post movement testing of cattle, that have already been pre movement tested, prior to arrival would be yet another financial burden on the farmer. Teens in the UK are killing badgers and other wildlife in a worrying trend, sparking concern among animal rights organizations. The results of Defra's Road Traffic Accident survey, carried out in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Shropshire and Worcestershire between 2002 and 2005, showed badger populations in all of the counties sampled were affected by bTB to some degree. What do you do? Just for some fun. an excuse to smile. The American Badger is a smaller animal in Red Dead Redemption 2. But should we think harder before we pop another pill? Further examples include the cessation of investigating badger RTAs (road traffic accidents). Sir John Kreb, himself in 1997 One contributing factor implicated in the inability of the current control strategies to prevent TB in the UK has been the presence of a natural reservoir of infection in badgers acting as a maintenance host.
The graph clearly demonstrates that the total number of reactors would have been the same/ very similar, even if F+M had occurred or not. Paracetamol can actually be a very dangerous drug, says Dr John Dickson, who retired from general practice in Northallerton, North Yorkshire, last year. I, unlike Prof. Bourne, have no hidden agenda and no vested interests; my sole concern is for the deteriorating TB/cattle situation of my clients and others. Gassing the setts, during the day when the nocturnal badgers are curled up asleep, with either carbon monoxide - fumes from a petrol engine or with carbon dioxide using dry ice. No cattle must be tested within 60 days of a previous test. Failing to do so will result in their statistics being flawed and the conclusions influenced. It was a very steep learning curve as to the behaviour of those involved. Repeated requests to change operating methods were ignored. Reports that gassing setts is not on the agenda, if correct will result in any cull going off at half cock. This must involve culling the infected badgers over a large area; ideally, with the use of Polymerase chain reaction (PCRs) to identify infected setts. Peer review is the critical scrutiny by Independent Anonymous Specialists. We just need to be on the ball to try and stop badgers being killed. The relevant correct fig. All the evidence, including that from previously efficient culls - Thornbury and Steeple Leaze and others - is that infected badgers are responsible for most of the TB in cattle. No sow badgers in milk were culled to allow them to suckle and if infected, infect their cubs. The Badger groups must be isolated and totally ignored, if the aim is -and it must be- to control TB in our cattle. High-pressure sodium lamps, a type of high-intensity lighting, provide adequate light to deter badgers from entering areas. The also like dry conditions to live in their setts - having a roof of concrete or road is ideal. 1. organism is identified, for PCR single round detecting clinically significant material. then an advisory note needs to be sent Why having redefined breakdown did they not include all herds with reactors in their statistics? Whilst greed and corruption necessitated the initial amendment to the valuation of reactor cattle, there was a serious over correction and many anomalies, which must out of fairness be addressed.
There will be no second chance. Provided that the ISG report is INDEPENDENTLY reviewed, it is inevitable that, just like Batesons report on the deer was, it will be totally discredited and must be ignored. When EFRAC titled their report Badgers and cattle TB: the final report of the Independent Scientific Group on Cattle TB only an optimist could expect some original thinking. Two years ago when Nice was considering withdrawing its backing of the drug as the first choice treatment for chronic osteoarthritic pain, the Royal College of General Practitioners was among those who complained the loudest. A wide range of veterinary CPD and resources by leading veterinary professionals. It appears that Bourne had preconceived ideas and prejudices. Its use should be confined to the bin, until the reservoir of infection has been removed. (A badger with TB in the kidneys excreates 1,500,000 TB bacilli in a teaspoonful of urine, which they continually dribble out). described by Dr Colin Fink of Due to the latest TB scare I expect this will be happening a lot. application of PCR will quickly point There are already badger latrines within 400 yards of Worcester City centre. There is an unwritten rule among scientists that you dont rubbish others in public. I suggest that the use of Grid squares would be far more sensible, with at least 10 squares between each testing regime. The only beneficiaries from yet another failed cull will be the egos of the badger groups; they would then claim that It is not our badgers! No doubt their spin would claim that it was to prevent the cattle transmitting their TB to badgers! 2. WebAlthough the potentially fatal consequences of taking a paracetamol overdose are well known, the widespread belief has been that the drug is mild and relatively safe if taken at the recommended dose. of herds undergoing 60-day testing with active cell or a passive cell? being put forward is dizziness. WebSafe Dosage for Adults with Fever Average dosing: A maximum of 650mg every 4-6 hours, or 1000mg every 6-8 hours to be taken orally or rectally. In its final recommendation last year, Nice performed a U-turn, reinstating its previous backing of paracetamol, pending the outcome of a broad review of over-the-counter painkillers by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, the results of which are due later this year. Maize is their delicacy. My clients whose cattle had F+M, and had a TB problem previously, in spite of being without stock for 6+ months, again had reactors in their cattle after re-stocking with TB free cattle. Much rests on a means to control TB, Animals were killed at 2, 6, 24, 72 and 168 h after paracetamol and hepatic or renal DNA and protein were isolated and the extent of covalent binding determined. deciding what is M. bovis as an animal an opportunity to define the practical In fact, patients shouldnt be using paracetamol habitually. That might seem a risk worth taking if it were not for recent research that suggests the drug either doesnt work, or has only a very small effect for most people. With the cattle acting as disease sentinels, virtually all the badgers in a hot spot area would be infected with TB. 1. Please Email kingkeith567@hotmail.co.uk for more details, Tartan Giant Post movement testing would involve testing the cattle within 60 days of arrival. For most people, its a placebo, says Dickson. carbon monoxide gassing of badgers is Some are on the point of suicide. Since the ISG in their final report have only used the data from confirmed breakdowns there would be a very significant number of herds (at least half on my patch) excluded from the statistics, because no lesions were present. 2. Not even Cornwall surrounded by sea on two sides would qualify. He even had trapping details published on the website. control of TB. WebThe best thing to do is decoy them. testing method to assess the and bring down the cattle herds at A VERY short time after taking This method would however, successfully decommission the setts. easiest to solve. When he compared the participants after 13 weeks, it came as no surprise that one in five on ibuprofen lost the equivalent of a unit of blood through internal bleeding. WebIn this video I show you how to kill a badger and yes I'm back online, sorry it's in portrait paulnew hampshirenew jerseynew mexiconew orleansnorth carolinanorth texasnycoklahomaphiladelphiapittsburghportlandrichmondrochesterrogue valleysaint louissan diegosan franciscosan francisco bay areasanta barbarasanta cruz, casarasotaseattletampa bayunited statesurbana-champaignvermontwestern massworcesterWest AsiaArmeniaBeirutIsraelPalestineTopicsbiotechProcessfbi/legal updatesmailing listsprocess & imc docstech.