outer darkness mormon

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Rev. Thank you! Mormonism. Gregory A. Boyd, Paul R. Eddy Across the Spectrum: Understanding Issues in Evangelical Theology pp285 2009 "For example, how can hell be a place of outer darkness (Matt. 18:8), hell fire (Matt. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of Godbanished entirely from his presence. In this context, outer darkness is the spirit prison, or that part of the spirit world that the wicked inhabit prior to their resurrection. Temporary abode of the wicked. (To see the differences between the three kingdoms of glory, click here.) No exact details are given. 20:1315). It's not as simple as you make it out to be. In Jesus parable of the rich man and Lazarus, Jesus contrasted the afterlife state of the lowly Lazarus with that of the self-absorbed rich man. Clearly fire is used as a metaphor for sufferingnot a literal fire but a state of misery. To look closer at this possibility, lets break humans into two categories: 1) Those who have never been Mormon; 2) Those who are or once were Mormon. Through baptism and confirmation by priesthood authority, you became a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (True to the Faith: A Gospel Reference, 2004, p. 21, So, even if you attended LDS Church services, sang the hymns, and even partook of the weekly sacrament, yet you were never baptized and confirmed into the faith, you can never become a son of perdition. Grant Building Clearly, when it comes to perdition and outer darkness, I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me, and anyone who speaks on the matter has a dizzying intellect. Thus, by the definition given by the leaders cited above, these people cannot be considered sons of perdition. 2:4). And now behold, I say unto you then cometh a death, even a second death, which is a spiritual death; then is a time that whosoever dieth in his sins, as to a temporal death, shall also die a spiritual death; yea, he shall die as to things pertaining unto righteousness. Also, Joseph confuses things further by combining words typically used with Hell to describe outer darkness: A sinner has his own mind and his own mind damns him. With the exception of those who left the church and later rejoined, every other former Mormon left the church because they believed it is not true. Their theology was turned upside down! . I was taught that to be condemned to outer darkness you would have to deny Christ to his very face and that could occur . Additionally it provides helpful commentary on New Testament passages concerning hell. 15:2830). In Outer Darkness, there is endless lamentation and no divine presence. Clearly you dont know what is and is not doctrine, and are trying to throw shade. But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. 8:13). For example: everlasting fire (Matt. . Its just Scary bad. Wilford Woodruff in a meeting with the apostles, 1893 D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1997) p. 795. Both Luther, who taught soul sleep till the resurrection of the dead, and Calvin, who taught the immortal soul, considered the "outer darkness" references in Matthew to refer to the last judgment. 14:1819). ). Yet I never was baptized and confirmed into this church. Mormons believe that there Prophets are fallible and in no way perfect. has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 358). Therefore, they have drunk out of the cup of the wrath of God, which justice could no more deny unto them than it could deny that Adam should fall because of his partaking of the forbidden fruit; therefore, mercy could have claim on them no more forever. The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. Provo, UT 84602 Just one rebellion. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Doctrines of Salvation2:220). According to Smith: It is very clear in the Doctrine and Covenants Section 76:30-37, that the only persons who will be completely overcome by this dreadful fate are the sons of perdition who go with the devil and his angels into outer darkness. (Answers to Gospel Questions 5:107-108). Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? 3:20; 10:9- 10; Eph. Although this is an obvious scare tactic, this accusation is not true according to important LDS leaders. It clarifies how using an obscure quote does not define LDS doctrines or dogmas. 3. The righteousness of some (Abraham or Lazarus) cannot erase the consequences of anothers sins (the rich man). John the Revelator heard Christ proclaim that he possessed the keys of hell and of death (Rev. Clearly, when it comes to perdition and outer darkness, I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me, and anyone who speaks on the matter has a dizzying intellect. FAIRMormon says on this page even: When any man, except the President of the Church, undertakes to proclaim one unsettled doctrine, as among two or more doctrines in dispute, as the settled doctrine of the Church, we may know that he is not moved upon by the Holy Ghost, unless he is acting under the direction and by the authority of the President. 14:1519). Only a handful of "sons of perdition" would go. I have no fear of hell fire, that doesnt exist, but the torment and disappointment of the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstoneso is the torment of man. so we will be able to realistically discuss the likelihood that a person who left the church could ever end up in Outer Darkness. 11:23). This is full on rejection of God. The Nephites became so wicked, that contemplating murder was a source of happiness. All missionaries are doing is trying to upgrade people to a premium plan of ruling over planets and polygamy. Serve Satan. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols., (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 195456), 31.; Bruce R. McConkie, Seven Deadly Heresies, 1 June 1980, BYU Marriot Center.). The Book of Mormon speaks of only two groups who inhabit the postmortal spirit world: the righteous, who exist in a state of happiness called paradise; and the wicked, who are consigned to outer darknessthe wicked being those who have been captivated by the devil and who will be resurrected to an endless hell. And if they be evil they are consigned to an awful view of their own guilt and abominations, which doth cause them to shrink from the presence of the Lord into a state of misery and endless torment, from whence they can no more return; therefore they have drunk damnation to their own souls. Woman must atone for sins committed by the volition of her own choice, but she will never become an angel to the devil, and sin so far as to place herself beyond the reach of mercy. Brigham Young Discourse delivered October 8, 1861, pp. In Mormonism, Outer darkness is described as "those who are unfaithful, those who will listen to Satan, who will lend a willing ear to his blandishments and to his allurements, when they go from this state of existence, they go into a condition where they are subject to his power. Another manual states, Baptism is the first saving ordinance of the gospel (see Articles of Faith 1:4). [2] For a discussion of the New Testament words that translate hell, see The Oxford Companion to the Bible, ed. Finally, John saw that death and hell delivered up the dead to be judged according to their works, and death and hell were cast into [a] lake of fire (Rev. King Benjamin also taught that the fiery suffering was a state of misery one encounters when viewing ones sinfulness: They shall be judged, every man according to his works, whether they be good, or whether they be evil. The celestial, terrestrial, and telestial are kingdoms of glory. Possibly but there is no citation there either. The ex-mortal sons of perdition will be resurrected, as will everyone else; but they will finally suffer the second death, the spiritual death, for they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness. (Hel. So I thought Id get it all out there in one simple post. Historic Christianity. A lot of people wanted a source on that. Mormons also believe that those on Earth with bodies can become a Son of Perdition, tho this is difficult to do. Therefore repent ye, repent ye, lest by knowing these things and not doing them ye shall suffer yourselves to come under condemnation, and ye are brought down unto this second death (Hel. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition ( Doctrines of Salvation 2:220 ). You dont believe it is true, which is the reason why you left. Often in the scriptures it is difficult to discern which helltemporary or permanentis being spoken of, since many references to hell in the scriptures are used in a nonspecific manner to simply designate a place or state of suffering for the wicked. That ought to bring a sigh of relief to many who are reading this article! Mormons believe that a majority of people on this Earth will go to one of these three heavens. There are three references to outer darkness in the New Testament, all contained in the Gospel of Matthew. Many of the apostates of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Tenth President Joseph Fielding Smitha general authority who spoke more about this issue than any other leaderstated. 21:8; see also 19:20). It is the closest Mormon analogy to the concept of hell in most other Christian traditions. One of the messages of the Book of Mormon is that people sometimes lose the desire to repent. For behold, he surely must die that salvation may come; yea, it behooveth him and becometh expedient that he dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, that thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. Smith taught: The sons of perdition are those who have had a knowledge of the truth, have known that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, have had the testimony of the Spirit of the Lord, the Holy Ghost, and these things have all been revealed so that they know they are true; and then they turn against them and fight them knowingly. The extent of this punishment none will ever know except those who partake of it. Even the regular Wikipedia seems confused: Sons of Perdition are: The pre-mortal spirit followers of Satan. That being said, I don't think it really matters at the end of the day, because if it is all real, I want to stay clear away from anyone who the Church says deserves the Celestial Kingdom. By EntropyJustKillUsNow, March 29, 2017 in Social Hall. Does this description of God make it sound as if he is just (at least according to an LDS context)? . And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire [i.e., overcome or defeated by Christs Atonement]. . J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881. They once held membership in the church (through baptism/confirmation); They had full knowledge of their apostasy from the true and restored church of Jesus Christ; They continue to fight against the LDS Church despite their knowledge. It doesnt matter because I never joined. We believe that after the final judgment there are four places to which a person may be sent. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Ibid.). After the millennium, after the last great battle between the forces of God and the forces of Satan, Satan and his followers will be cast into Outer Darkness. Mormons believe we existed before coming to Earth. It occurs in a doctrinal discussion Alma conducted with his son Corianton. . In Mormonism, it depends. Delving into the interesting bits about any religion to stem from Joseph Smith Jr. Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor). 9:1012, 1516). (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220-221). This page was last edited on 17 September 2010, at 20:26. While some apparently have taught that these spirits could be restored to a kingdom of glory, 12th President Spencer W. Kimball said this wasnt true: In the days of the restoration there apparently were those who taught that the devil and his angels and the sons of perdition should sometime be restored. You have to be pretty bad to go to the Teresita's kingdom, and horrendous to go to outer darkness. From its beginnings, it taught that very few people would go to "outer darkness" the Mormon concept of hell. Oh yes they did: after a man has sinned the sin against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for himlike many of the apostates of Christof the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. what about that 1/3 the host of heaven who didnt follow Gods plan Joseph F. Smith was so sure qualify as Sons of Perdition were NONE of them women? (p. 273). The views expressed . He also said,I think I am safe in saying that no man can become a Son of Perdition until he has known the light. How many people. Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie have rejected the idea that those in perdition can ultimately be redeemed, which contradicts Brighams speculations. Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. In a general conference talk, Joseph Fielding Smith further explained that. 20:6). In this context, outer darkness is the spirit prison, or that part of the spirit world that the wicked inhabit prior to their resurrection. Another name for Outer Darkness is hell. This is a Son of perdition. In each New Testament passage that speaks of hell (the word hades is neutralneither a place of punishment nor reward but the place of departed spirits) the context associates it with suffering and punishment. Christians have debated for centuries the nature of the hell fire of which Jesus spoke (Matt.